Montgomery and Talvas, Counts of Ponthieu and
Earls of Shrewsbury

Sir Hugh de Montgomery, Viscount of Heismois, b abt 958, St. Germain, Normandy. He md Josceline [a] abt 980, daughter of Unknown and Senfria. She was b abt 967.
Child of Hugh de Mongomery and Josceline was:

Sir Roger I de Montgomery [b], Seigneur of Montgomerie, Viscount of Hiesmois, b abt 984, St. Germain, Normandy, d aft 1040. He md (poss) Emma abt 1002. She was b abt 990, d aft 1067.
Child of Roger I de Montgomery and Emma was:

Sir Roger II de Montgomery [c], 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, b abt 1022, St. Germain, Normandy, France, d 27 Jul 1094, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. He md [1] Mabel Talvas [d] 1050-1054, France, daughter of Sir William II de Belleme, Lord of Belleme, and Hildeburg. She was b abt 1018, Alencon, Orne, France, d 2 Dec 1079, Bures Castle (murdered). He md [2] Adelaide de Puiset.
Children of Roger II de Montgomery and Mabel Talvas were:
  • Maud de Montgomery b abt 1050, St. Germain, Normandy. She md Sir Robert de
    , Earl of Cornwall, abt 1062, son of Herluin de Conteville, Viscount of Conteville, and Arlette/Herleve of Falaise.
  • Roger III de Montgomery, The Poitevin, b abt 1052. See LINE A
  • Sir Robert II de Belleme, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury, b abt 1054. See LINE B
  • Sibyl de Montgomery b abt 1066, of St. Germain, Normandy. She md Sir Robert Fitz Hamon, Lord of Glamorgan, abt 1082.
  • Arnulph de Montgomery, Earl of Pembroke, b abt 1072. See LINE C
Roger III de Montgomery [e], The Poitevin, Count de La Marche, b abt 1052, d 1123. He md Almodis de la Marche abt 1082, daughter of Adalbert II de la Marche, Count de La Marche. She was b abt 1064, d abt 1116.
Child of Roger III de Montgomery and Almodis de la Marche was:

Ponce de Montgomery b abt 1096. She md Wulgrim III Taillefer, Count of Angouleme, abt 1112.

Sir Robert II de Belleme [f], 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury, b abt 1054, Alencon, Orne, France, d aft 8 May 1131. He md Agnes of Ponthieu [g] abt 1083, daughter of Guy I of Ponthieu, Count of Ponthieu and Montreuil.
Child of Robert II de Belleme and Agnes of Ponthieu was:

William III Talvas [h], Duke of Alencon and Ponthieu, b abt 1090, Alencon, Orne, France, d 30 Jun 1171. He md Alice/Ela of Burgundy abt 1112, daughter of Eudes I, Duke of Burgundy, "Borel", and Maud/Matilda of Burgundy.
Children of William III Talvas and Alice/Ela of Burgundy were:

  • Guy II of Ponthieu, Count of Ponthieu, b abt 1118.
  • Ela Talvas b abt 1120, Sussex, England, d 4 Oct 1174, Wiltshire, England. She md:
      [1] Sir William III de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, 1130, France, son of Sir William II de Warenne, Earl of Surrey and Warren, and Isabel de Vermandois, and
      [2] Sir Patrick of Salisbury, Earl of Salisbury, abt 1149, son of Walter Fitz Edward of Salisbury, Sheriff of Wiltshire, and Maud/Sibyl de Chaworth.
    Guy II of Ponthieu, Count of Ponthieu, b abt 1118, d 1147. He md Ida abt 1134. She was b abt 1122.
    Child of Guy II of Ponthieu and Ida was:

    John I of Ponthieu, Count of Ponthieu, b abt 1140, d 1191. He md [1] Matilda abt 1162, [2] Daughter of Bernard de St. Valery, and [3] Beatrice Candavaine de St. Pol, abt 1177, daughter of Anselme Candavaine, Count of St. Pol, and Eustachie de Champagne.
    Child of John I of Ponthieu and Beatrice Candavaine de St. Pol was:

    William III of Ponthieu, Count of Ponthieu, b abt 1168, d 4 Oct 1221. He md Alice/Alix of France 20 Aug 1195, daughter of Louis VII, King of France, and Constance of Castile.
    Child of William III of Ponthieu and Alice/Alix of France was:

    Marie of Ponthieu b 17 Apr 1199, Aumale, France, d Sep 1250, Abbeville, France. She md [1] Simon de Dammartin, Count of Aumale, 1208, son of Alberic II de Dammartin, Count of Dammartin, and Maud/Matilda of Clermont; and [2] Mathieu de Montmorency aft 1239.

Sir Arnulph de Montgomery, Earl of Pembroke, b abt 1072, of St. Germain, Normandy. He md Lafracoyh o'Brien abt 1103, daughter of Muirchertach II o'Brien, King of Ireland. She was b abt 1085.
Child of Arnulph de Montgomery and Lafracoyh o'Brien was:

Alice de Montgomery b abt 1118. She md Sir Maurice Fitz Gerald, Lord of Lanstephen, abt 1135, son of Gerald of Windsor, Constable of Pembroke Castle, and Nest verch Rhys.

a. She is believed to have been a niece of Duchess Gunnora, wife of Richard I, Duke of Normandy, perhaps daughter of Senfria.

b. He was witness to a charter, 1031 or 1032, of Robert I, Duke of Normandy. Betwen 1028 and 1035, he restored to the abbey of Jumieges a market at Vimoutiers, near Montgomerie, of which he had deprived the monks. During the troubles of Duke William's minority, he was exiled to Paris on account of the murder of Osbern by his son William de Montgomery (who was later slain in revenge).

c. In 1048 he was with Duke William on his expedition to Alencon and Domfront, and with William Fitz Osbern, was considered to be in the Duke's confidence. He was in the Duke's entourage on numerous occasions beginning in 1053, and he and his wife Mabel were high in the Duke's favor in 1061. Between 1050 and 1059 he founded the abbey of St. Martin de Troarn, and around 1055 he refounded the abbey of St. Martin at Sees. He was with the Duke in 1066 during the preparations for the invasion of England, but did not accompany him, instead remaining in Normandy to assist the Duchess in the government of the duchy. In 1067, he accompanied the new King to Engand whereupon he recieved a grant of Arundel and Chichester, and in 1074 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. Between 1079 and 1080, he assisted in bringing about a peace between William and Fulk, Count of Anjou, and with other magnates also assisted in bringing a reconciliation between William and his son Robert. During the rebellion of 1088, he appears to have sympathized with Robert Curthose, regarding him as the rightful heir to the throne. While it is not clear to what extent he sided with the rebels, three of his sons, one being Robert de Belleme, were among those who held Rochester for Robert Curthose against the royal forces that summer. Later that year, Roger crossed over to Normandy and levied war against Duke Robert, who had imprisoned his son, Robert de Belleme, but ultimately a treaty was made and Robert de Belleme was released. He refounded Wenlock as a Cluniac priory, and founded the Benedictine abbey of Shrewsbury, and the priory of St. Nicholas at Arundel, and was also a benefactor of St. Evroul, St. Stephen's at Caen, and Cluny. He died three days after becoming a Monk at Shrewsbury. By first wife, Mabel, he had sons Roger, who died young and s.p.; Robert de Belleme; Hugh de Mongomery; Roger the Poitevin; Philip; and Arnulf, as well as four daughters, Emma, abbess of Almeneches; Maud married to Robert, Count of Mortain and Earl of Cornwall; Mabel, wife of Hugh, lord of Chateauneuf-en-Thimerais; and Sibyl, wife of Robert Fitz Hamon. By his second wife, Adelaide, he left a son, Everard, who was chaplain both to William Rufus and Henry I.

d. She was murdered at Bures Castle by one Hugh Bunel and his accomplices. Her son, Hugh de Montgomery who was at Bures Castle when she was murdered there, pursued them in vain, they having broken down the bridges behind them as they fled. The pursuit was further hindered by the winter floods.

e. Roger the Poitevin was a considerable tenant-in-chief, particularly in Lancashire, and he was one of the rebels in 1088. In 1102 he was banished from England with his brother Earl Robert (de Belleme) and retired to Poitou. He founded the priory of Lancaster as a cell of St. Martin of Sees. He has erroneously been called Earl of Lancaster; his comital style is attributable to the comte of Marche held in right of his wife, Almodis, sister of Boso, Count of Marche in Poitou.

f. In 1073 he served in the Conqueror's invasion of Maine, and was knighted by the King at the siege of Fresnay-le-Vicomte. Around 1077 he joined the party of Robert Curthose. Upon his mother's death in Dec 1079, and in her right succeeded in France as Lord of Belleme, and either then or at his father's second marriage, he succeeded to the Norman lordships of Alencon and Domfront. In Sep 1087, upon hearing of William's death, he then conspired with the Conqueror's half-brothers and other nobles to dethrone William II in favor of Robert Curthose. But he and the rebels were besieged in Rochester Castle and in Jun 1088, they were forced to surrender. Soon reconciled with the King, upon his return to Normandy he was arrested by Duke Robert and imprisoned, but his father soon obtained his release. In 1090, Robert supported the Duke against the Norman rebels who favored William Rufus. Upon his father's death in 1094, he succeeded to all of his possessions in Normandy, and with the death of his brother, Hugh, in 1098, he obtained Hugh's Earldom and lands in England and Wales from the King, and thus became Earl of Shrewsbury. He was in Normandy when William Rufus was killed, and hastened to England to do homage to Henry I, who confirmed him in all his lands and dignities. In Oct 1100, on the death of his father-in-law, he became Count of Ponthieu, and the following year, with other nobles, he urged Robert of Normandy to invade England. But as this was unsuccessful he fled and then devastated Staffordshire with a force of Normans and Welsh. The King then took his castles of Arundel, Blythe and Bridgnorth and besieged him at Shrewsbury, whereupon Robert finally surrendered and was given safe conduct to the sea. He was deprived of all of his honours and lands in England and Wales, including the Earldom, whence he retired to Normandy. In 1105 he was at war with Rotrou, Count of Perche, who had claimed a share of the great Belleme inheritance, and who defeated him, and in the autumn of 1105 he attacked Henry's supporters in Normandy. When Henry invaded Normandy in autumn of the following year, Robert adhered to the Duke, and commanded the rear division at Tinchebrai 28 Sep, but fled when the front division was devastated. Failing in his attempt to seduce the Count of Maine from his allegiance with Henry, Robert made peace with the King, and on 17 May 1110 he was with Henry at Dover. But the following year Robert took a leading part in the plot to restore Normandy to Duke Robert's son, William Clito, and in 1112 rebelled and aided the Count of Anjou against the King. When the King of France sent him as Ambassador to negotiate with Henry regarding the release of Duke Robert, the King seized him, tried, and then condemned him to imprisonment. He was at first confined at Cherbourg, but King Henry later took him to England where he was imprisoned at Wareham Castle in Dorset, where he presumably died some nineteen years later.

g. Sole heir to her father's comte, she was reportedly cruelly treated by her husband, being kept shut up for a long period in his castle at Belleme. She eventually escaped and took refuge with Adela, Countess of Blois, and retired to Ponthieu, never returning to her husband.

h. He succeeded his father as Count of Ponthieu, probably between 1105/06 and 1110/1111. In Jun 1119, Henry I restored to him all of his father's lands in Normandy. He resigned Ponthieu to his son Guy in or after 1126, but retained the title of Count of Ponthieu. In 1135, Henry I confiscated his Norman lands, whereupon he joined Geoffrey Plantagenet, with whom he invaded Normandy after the death of Henry I.

CP: Vol XI[682-697]; AR: Line 108[25-26], Line 109[25-29], Line 185[1], Line 124[26], Line 178[3].
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