Saher de Quincy [a] b abt 1100, of Lancashire and Northamptonshire, England, d 1158. He md Maud de St. Liz abt 1134, daughter of Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton, and Maud de Huntingdon.
Child of Saher de Quincy and Maud de St. Liz was:
Sir Robert de Quincy [b], Knight, b abt 1135, Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England, d bef 29 Sep 1197, England. He md Orabella de Leuchars abt 1150, Brackley, Northamptonshire, England, daughter of Ness de Leuchars. She was b abt 1136, of Leuchars, Fifeshire, Scotland, d 1181.
Child of Robert de Quincy and Orabella de Leuchars was:
Children of Saher de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont were:
- Sir Roger de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, b abt 1182. See LINE A
- Robert de Quincy b abt 1185. See LINE B
- Hawise de Quincy b abt 1192, Winchester, Hampshire, England, d Feb 1241/42. She md Sir Hugh de Vere, Earl of Oxford, Knight, Master Chamberlain, aft 11 Feb 1221/22, Hedingham, Essex, England, son of Sir Robert de Vere, Earl of Oxford, Magna Carta Surety, Master Chamberlain, and Isabel de Bolebec.
Sir Roger de Quincy [e], Earl of Winchester, Constable of Scotland, b abt 1182, Winchester, Hampshire, England, d 25 Apr 1264, Evington, Leicestershire, England. He md [1] Helen of Galloway abt 1217, daughter of Sir Alan of Galloway and Daughter de Lacy. He md [2] Maud de Bohun bef 5 Jun 1250, and [3] Eleanor de Ferrers bef 5 Dec 1252.
Children of Roger de Quincy and Helen of Galloway were:
- Margaret de Quincy b abt 1222, Winchester, Hampshire, England, d bef Mar 1280/81. She md Sir William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby, 21 Jun 1238, son of Sir William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby, and Agnes of Chester.
- Elizabeth de Quincy b abt 1224, Winchester, Hampshire, England, d 12 Apr 1282. She md Sir Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan, abt 1240, Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, son of Sir William Comyn, Earl of Buchan, and Margaret of Buchan.
- Helen/Elena de Quincy b abt 1226, Winchester, Hampshire, England, d bef 20 Aug 1296. She md Sir Alan la Zouche, Lord of Ashby, bef 1242, Winchester, Hampshire, England, son of Roger la Zouche, Sheriff of Devonshire, and Margaret Biset.
Robert de Quincy b abt 1185, Winchester, Hampshire, England, d Aug 1257, Palestine. He md [1] Hawise of Chester abt 1207, London, Middlesex, England, daughter of Sir Hugh of Kevelioc, Earl of Chester, and Bertrade de Montfort. He md [2] Helen/Ellen verch Llewelyn 1237.
Child of Robert de Quincy and Hawise Le Meschin was:
Margaret de Quincy b 1208, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, d aft Mar 1265/66, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England. She md [1] Sir John de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, Magna Carta Surety, bef 21 Jun 1221, son of Roger de Lacy and Maud de Clare, and [2] Walter Marshal 6 Jan 1241/42.
NOTES:
a. The name is recorded early as Quency, and it is presumed that he derived the name from Cuinchy, near Bethune, on the border of Artois and Flanders, which is a short distance from Chocques, the original home of his Northants overlord, Anselm de Chokes. He was a tenant of the latter at Long Buckby in Northants, circa 1124-29. He married the widow of Robert Fitz Richard de Clare, namely Maud, daughter of Simon de St. Liz, Earl of Huntingdon and Northampton. He was living in Jan 1145/46, but was deceased probably around 1156-58, and Maud was still living 1158, but was apparently dead in 1163.
b. His elder brother, Saher II, was their father's heir, followed by his son Saher III, but the latter died s.p. in 1192, whence Robert enjoyed, for a short period, the Quincy inheritance. By his marriage to Orabella of Leuchars, he obtained lands in Fife, Perthshire, and Lothian , and was also granted the ancient castle of Forfar by his cousin, King William, and during the latter's reign, Robert made many grants to religious houses, as well as witnessing Royal grants in Scotland. He accompanied Richard I to the Holy Land in 1190, were he was Constable of a force to take aid to Antioch in Jul. He was sent with the Duke of Burgundy to Tyre to collect prisoners from Philip Augustus the following Aug, and also fought in Normandy in 1194 and 1196. He eventually separated from his wife Orabella, and secondly married Eve, who survived him.
c. He was active with Kings Richard and John in Normandy 1197-99, and in Oct 1200 he was appointed to conduct the King of Scotland to meet King John. In 1203, he was captured by the French, when he and his cousin Robert Fitz Walter, surrendered the castle of Vendreuil, but had returned to England before 5 May 1204. By his marriage he became, in his wife's right, upon the death of her only brother, coheir to a moiety of the vast estates of the Honours of Leicestershire and Grandmesnil, of which he received custody 30 Mar 1205. He was created Earl of Winchester before 10 Feb 1206/07, and served in Scotland in 1209 and in Ireland in 1210, and was active in the work of the Exchequer, 1211-13, and justice in many counties. At Easter 1214/15, he was with the confederate barons against the King at Stamford, and in Jun 1215 he was one of the 25 chosen to enforce Magna Carta. Early the following year, with Robert Fitz Walter, he went to invite Prince Louis to England, whereupon his lands were seized by the Crown. In Dec 1216, he defended the town of St. Albans from being sacked by Louis' army, and in the spring of 1217, lead an expedition to bring relief to Mountsorrel Castle in Leicester, where he was defeated and captured by Henry III in May. Six months later he returned to his allegiance and his lands were restored. He joined the Crusaders and died at Damietta, and was buried at Acre. His widow, Margaret, recognized as suo jure Countess of Winchester, died shortly before 12 Feb 1234/35, probably on 12 Jan.
d. Third son, he was the second son named Robert, the first son by that name having died s.p. 1217.
e. Second but first surviving son, he was presumably on Crusade at Damietta when his father died there, and was granted seizin of his Quincy lands 16 Feb 1220/21. He did not, however, inherit his mother's lands, nor was he recognized Earl of Winchester until her death. By right of his wife, upon the death of her father, Alan of Galloway in 1234, he became hereditary Constable of Scotland. He served in Gascony in 1242, in North Wales in 1245, and was summoned against the Welsh 1258, 1260, and 1263-64. He had protections to go to Scotland 1257, 1259, 1260 and 1261, and was appointed a commissioner to arbitrate the dispute between the King of Scotland and his nobles in Jul 1257, and also to represent Henry III in negotiations with the King of Scotland in Mar 1257/58. He was summoned under arms to aid the King in 1260, 1261, and 1263. He firstly married Helen, second but first surviving daughter and coheir of Alan, Lord of Galloway and Constable of Scotland. She died after 21 Nov 1245, and he secondly married Maud, the widow of Anselm Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, who died s.p. Oct 1252, and thirdly, he married Eleanor, widow of William de Vaux. He died s.p.m., when the earldom reverted to the Crown. His lands were divided among his three daughters, all by his first wife.
CP: Vol XII/2[747-754]; AR: Line 53[27-29], Line 54[28-29], Line 57[28-29], Line 60[27-28], Line 224[28-29], Line 236[8-9].
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